是美國(guó)的教育體系太難了，還是孩子們太懶了？

Is the American education system too difficult or are kids just lazy?

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網(wǎng)友：作為一名美國(guó)的教師，我認(rèn)為有必要指出，這個(gè)問(wèn)題在如此籠統(tǒng)的層面上是無(wú)法回答的。我們的教學(xué)體系是由各州和地方控制的，所以對(duì)于這個(gè)問(wèn)題，請(qǐng)記住這一點(diǎn)，答案的多樣性就如同學(xué)校的數(shù)量一樣多。

正文翻譯

Is the American education system too difficult or are kids just lazy?

是美國(guó)的教育體系太難了，還是孩子們太懶了？

評(píng)論翻譯

Anne W Zahra
As a US teacher, I think it should be pointed out that this question is unanswerable at such a general level. Our schooling system is state and locally controlled, and there are as many answers to this question as there are schools. So keep that in mind.
I’ll tell you about my experiences teaching in the US South, mostly in small cities and rural communities.

作為一名美國(guó)的教師，我認(rèn)為有必要指出，這個(gè)問(wèn)題在如此籠統(tǒng)的層面上是無(wú)法回答的。我們的教學(xué)體系是由各州和地方控制的，所以對(duì)于這個(gè)問(wèn)題，請(qǐng)記住這一點(diǎn)，答案的多樣性就如同學(xué)校的數(shù)量一樣多。
我來(lái)分享一下我在美國(guó)南部，主要是在小城市和農(nóng)村社區(qū)教學(xué)的經(jīng)歷。

Most US students here don’t take the college preparatory curriculum (honors/ AP/ IB). Those college-track classes are challenging and the students who do well in them generally graduate from college successfully. Not all these college-track students earn great grades, and not all of them go on to college, but most earn at least a 4 year degree from a regional or state university. Your very top performers generally do well at more elite universities and in more demanding majors, like sciences, medicine, law, etc.

在這里，大多數(shù)美國(guó)學(xué)生不會(huì)選擇大學(xué)預(yù)科課程（榮譽(yù)課程/ AP/ IB）。那些針對(duì)大學(xué)升學(xué)的課程頗具挑戰(zhàn)性，而且在這些課程中表現(xiàn)優(yōu)異的學(xué)生通常能夠成功地完成大學(xué)學(xué)業(yè)。并非所有這些準(zhǔn)備上大學(xué)的學(xué)生都能獲得優(yōu)異的成績(jī)，也不是所有人都會(huì)繼續(xù)升學(xué)，但大多數(shù)人至少能從地區(qū)性或州立大學(xué)獲得四年制學(xué)位。那些表現(xiàn)最好的學(xué)生通常在更精英的大學(xué)和更具挑戰(zhàn)性的專業(yè)，如科學(xué)、醫(yī)學(xué)、法律等領(lǐng)域表現(xiàn)出色。

The students who aren’t college-bound are a problematic case. They often say they will go to college (often spelling it “collage”), but few of them actually ever earn a degree of any kind. Some are probably of low-average intelligence, but by far most of them are simply average, healthy, normal kids who want to pass their classes but aren’t particularly academically oriented otherwise. (Note that some actually belong in the college track but, unfortunately, lack the home support/ stable environment/ mental and emotional stability to persist and succeed there. Sometimes the school succeeds in getting them into that higher track to stay, but not always.)

那些不打算上大學(xué)的學(xué)生構(gòu)成了一個(gè)難題。他們常說(shuō)自己會(huì)去上大學(xué)（經(jīng)常將“college”誤拼為“collage”），但真正能獲得學(xué)位的人寥寥無(wú)幾。其中一些學(xué)生可能智力平平，但絕大多數(shù)其實(shí)只是普通的、健康的、正常的孩子，他們希望課程能及格，但在學(xué)術(shù)上并沒(méi)有特別的志向。（需要指出的是，有些學(xué)生本應(yīng)適合大學(xué)路線，但遺憾的是，他們?nèi)狈彝ブС?、穩(wěn)定的環(huán)境或心理和情感上的穩(wěn)定性來(lái)持續(xù)并取得成功。有時(shí)學(xué)校能夠成功地將他們引入更高層次的軌道，但并非總是如此。）
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Yes, some students are terribly lazy and won’t do much work despite being quite capable of passing. However, the vast majority of students, lazy or not, are at least “average” in my experience and their school-refusal behavior typically has nothing to do with their intellectual ability. Sometimes it’s emotional. Sometimes it’s cultural; anti-intellectual attitudes are very common in less affluent American communities, and minority students in particular may carry out their adolescent rebellion by rejecting school-related expectations and academic values. In my community, I’m very different from most of the students I serve and this can be a factor in how much they learn.

是的，有些學(xué)生非常懶惰，盡管完全有能力通過(guò)考試，他們還是不怎么努力學(xué)習(xí)。然而，根據(jù)我的經(jīng)驗(yàn)，絕大多數(shù)學(xué)生，無(wú)論是否懶惰，至少處于“中等水平”，他們拒絕上學(xué)的行為通常與智力水平無(wú)關(guān)。有時(shí)是情感問(wèn)題，有時(shí)是文化因素；在一些較貧困的美國(guó)社區(qū)中，反智的態(tài)度非常普遍，尤其是少數(shù)族裔學(xué)生，他們可能通過(guò)拒絕學(xué)校的期望和學(xué)術(shù)價(jià)值來(lái)表達(dá)青春期的叛逆。在我的社區(qū)，我與大多數(shù)我所服務(wù)的學(xué)生有很大的不同，這也可能影響他們的學(xué)習(xí)效果。

Then again, what is the connection between their academic program and the hourly-wage jobs they will transition to after graduation? Unlike college-bound students, high GPAs don’t bring them any obvious rewards at all— there are no hiring preferences for higher GPAs, for instance. Sometimes these students openly say the curriculum doesn’t matter and has nothing to do with their future jobs. They’re wrong about that— they’re supposed to be voters and parents one day, not just workers, and they need the knowledge. However it’s difficult to convince most adolescents of this. They lack the insight to understand it.

不過(guò)，學(xué)術(shù)課程和他們畢業(yè)后從事的時(shí)薪工作到底有什么關(guān)系呢？與那些有志于上大學(xué)的學(xué)生不同，高績(jī)點(diǎn)成績(jī)對(duì)他們幾乎沒(méi)有任何實(shí)際的好處——比如說(shuō)，雇主并不會(huì)優(yōu)先考慮高GPA的求職者。有時(shí)候，這些學(xué)生甚至直言不諱地說(shuō)，課程內(nèi)容根本不重要，和他們未來(lái)的工作毫無(wú)關(guān)系。其實(shí)他們錯(cuò)了——他們將來(lái)不僅僅是工人，還應(yīng)該成為選民和父母，他們需要掌握這些知識(shí)。然而，要說(shuō)服大多數(shù)青少年相信這一點(diǎn)很難，因?yàn)樗麄內(nèi)狈ψ銐虻亩床炝Α?/b>

A Tactical American
It is no longer an education system, under the demonicrats it has become only a demonicrat indoctrination centers by stupid brain-dead indoctrinated demonicrats idiot they call teachers these days.

現(xiàn)在的教育系統(tǒng)早已不再是一個(gè)真正的教育體系，在“民主黨”的掌控下，它變成了由那些被洗腦、思想空洞的“民主黨”支持者所主導(dǎo)的洗腦中心，而這些人如今被稱為“老師”，實(shí)際上只是愚昧的工具罷了。

Hannah Madden
Neither.
You can’t have an education “system” in a supposedly “free” country.
Only a requirement that parents provide education for their children, in addition to their other obligations.
Which is the reason we have an “education system:” there is no freedom, just the illusion of it.

都不是。
在所謂的“自由”國(guó)家里，不可能存在一個(gè)教育“系統(tǒng)”。
這只是要求父母除了其他責(zé)任外，還要負(fù)責(zé)孩子的教育。
這就是我們有“教育系統(tǒng)”的原因：沒(méi)有真正的自由，只有自由的假象。

Lara
Is the American education system actually declining or are kids just too lazy to try?
I don't think it is that kids are too lazy. I would say there is a great deal of inconsistency from district to district and state to state. The standards, values and courses taught can vary widely. As can the level of education from a poor neighborhood public school, to a wealthier area public school to a private school.

是美國(guó)的教育體系真的在衰落，還是孩子們懶得去嘗試？
我不認(rèn)為是孩子們太懶。我認(rèn)為不同地區(qū)和州之間的教育存在很大的不一致性。教育的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)、價(jià)值觀和課程內(nèi)容可能差異很大。從貧困地區(qū)的公立學(xué)校到富裕地區(qū)的公立學(xué)校，再到私立學(xué)校，教育水平也各不相同。

As a child growing up I was exposed to several different public schools. Some were very good, others mediocre, the one my step-siblings went to I considered sub-par by the time I was in fourth grade.
While technically they all teach the same basics of arithmetic, English, history, science, the quality and standards and methods for teaching and for passing those courses can vary greatly. My step-siblings would receive A+'s for work that would have gotten me a C or an F in my schools, such as using "ain't" on an English term paper. But different states, different standards.

在我成長(zhǎng)過(guò)程中，我接觸過(guò)幾所不同的公立學(xué)校。有些學(xué)校非常好，有些則平庸，我繼兄弟姐妹去的那所學(xué)校，到了我四年級(jí)時(shí)，我認(rèn)為其教育質(zhì)量已經(jīng)低于標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。
雖然所有學(xué)校都教授基本的算術(shù)、英語(yǔ)、歷史和科學(xué)，但教學(xué)質(zhì)量、標(biāo)準(zhǔn)和通過(guò)課程的方法可能大相徑庭。我的繼兄弟姐妹可能會(huì)因?yàn)樵谟⒄Z(yǔ)論文中使用“ain't”而得到A+，而在我的學(xué)校，這樣的作業(yè)可能只能得到C或F，不同的州有不同的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。
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Also, the level of parent/community involvement in the educational system of an area can have an impact. It's not just funding, it is also involvement and pushing for certain standards. I had attended schools in wealthier areas that the main concerns were teen pregnancy (as long as it was less than neighboring districts) and appearing to be prosperous (which is why "problem" kids were encouraged to drop out at age 13), while the scholastic side of things was mediocre, and a rural community that prized critical thinking and education with an excellent program. Surprisingly, I have noticed having colleges in a town does not improve the education levels in a public school located there(my own observation).

一個(gè)地區(qū)父母和社區(qū)對(duì)教育系統(tǒng)的參與程度也會(huì)影響教育質(zhì)量。不僅僅是資金問(wèn)題，還包括參與度和推動(dòng)特定標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。我曾就讀于一些富裕地區(qū)的學(xué)校，那里主要關(guān)心的是青少年懷孕問(wèn)題（只要比鄰近地區(qū)少就行）和顯得繁榮（這就是為什么“問(wèn)題”孩子被鼓勵(lì)在13歲時(shí)輟學(xué)），而學(xué)術(shù)方面則是平庸的。我也去過(guò)一個(gè)重視批判性思維和教育的農(nóng)村社區(qū)，那里有出色的教育項(xiàng)目。令人驚訝的是，我發(fā)現(xiàn)一個(gè)城鎮(zhèn)有大學(xué)并不一定能提高那里公立學(xué)校的教育水平（這是我個(gè)人的觀察）。

So while studies vary a bit on how the educational system is doing, it really is hard to be certain, given the wide range of standards and expectations each district has and how they are rated. You basically have some oranges making up the bulk on the apple cart.

雖然對(duì)教育體系的表現(xiàn)有不同的研究，但由于各個(gè)學(xué)區(qū)的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)和期望值以及評(píng)價(jià)方式的多樣性，要得出確切結(jié)論確實(shí)很困難。你基本上看到的是，在本應(yīng)全是蘋果的推車?yán)?，橙子卻成了主要成分。

LoasidaBW
Is the American education system actually declining or are kids just too lazy to try?
No, for the most part, the system is pretty well screwed. Bush 2 and his Conservative Christian and Oligarch buddies have pretty well disemboweled any hope of a decent public school system for the next 50 or so years.

美國(guó)的教育體系真的在衰退嗎，還是孩子們只是太懶了？不，大體上來(lái)說(shuō)，這個(gè)系統(tǒng)已經(jīng)相當(dāng)糟糕了。布什二世和他的保守派基督教以及寡頭朋友們已經(jīng)嚴(yán)重破壞了未來(lái)五十年左右建立一個(gè)像樣的公立學(xué)校系統(tǒng)的任何希望。
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Think I am joking?
Or did you miss the fact that the TEXAS STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION voted 10 to 5 to teach the poor little kids in Texas that these United States, back in the day, was founded on---CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES---.
This is known, as propaganda.

認(rèn)為我在開(kāi)玩笑嗎？
還是你沒(méi)注意到德克薩斯州教育委員會(huì)以10比5的投票結(jié)果決定，向德克薩斯州的孩子們傳授這樣一個(gè)觀點(diǎn)：這個(gè)國(guó)家從一開(kāi)始就是建立在——基督教原則——之上的。
這種行為被稱為宣傳。

So, yeah...decline is a mild version of the really fucked up hodge-podge state by state, city by city crazy-quilt education system we have at the K-12 level.

那么，說(shuō)教育水平下降還是太委婉了，實(shí)際上我們的K-12教育系統(tǒng)實(shí)際上是一個(gè)由各州、各城市拼湊而成的混亂局面。
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Courtney Cleopatra
It's not that it's necessarily difficult, nor are most of us lazy. It's just extremely time consuming, so those of us taking advanced classes are either extremely overwhelmed or extremely bored.
Those 15–20 classes that you were taking could have extremely easy curriculum or just be mostly extracurriculars. The 7 classes that a US student is taking could very well be all on the IB or AP level , which are no joke. Not to mention the insane amounts of homework that we're expected to do nightly.
Obviously, there are definitely lazy American students, the same way that there are lazy Panamanian students, but the laziness isn't related to the amount of classes.

并不是說(shuō)這一定有多難，也不是我們大多數(shù)人懶惰。只是這些課程極其耗時(shí)，特別是對(duì)于我們這些上高級(jí)課程的學(xué)生來(lái)說(shuō)，我們要么感到壓力山大，要么就覺(jué)得無(wú)聊透頂。
你選的那15到20門課程可能很輕松，或者主要是課外活動(dòng)。而美國(guó)學(xué)生選的7門課程很可能都是IB或AP級(jí)別的，這可不是開(kāi)玩笑的。更不用說(shuō)我們每晚都要完成的海量作業(yè)了。
當(dāng)然，美國(guó)也有懶惰的學(xué)生，就像巴拿馬也有一樣，但懶惰和課程數(shù)量無(wú)關(guān)。

Shakeel Alibhai
Just because someone only takes 7 or 8 classes a year doesn’t mean that they’re lazy. It’s possible that those 7 or 8 classes could have as much work as the 15 to 20 classes that you mention.

僅僅因?yàn)橛腥艘荒曛簧?或8門課，并不意味著他們懶惰。他們上的那7或8門課程的工作量可能和你提到的15到20門課程一樣多。

Agath Olson
Is the American education system actually declining or are kids just too lazy to try?
I am totally lazy for having a 4.1 gpa last semester.
I think it is because there is no consistency to the American education system so the average of the entire system can be brought down. I think what would help make it a little bit easier to reform in theory is to make it more consistent but that may not be the best course.

美國(guó)教育體系真的在衰退嗎，還是孩子們太懶了？
上學(xué)期我的平均分只有4.1，真是太懶了。
我認(rèn)為這是因?yàn)槊绹?guó)教育體系缺乏一致性，導(dǎo)致整個(gè)系統(tǒng)的平均表現(xiàn)下降。我認(rèn)為理論上有助于改革的方法是使其更加一致，但那可能不是最好的方法。

Roy Chambers
Probably the best comparison is British A levels (UK high school) and the International Baccalaureate.
A-Levels have a total of 4 subjects a year, but in the last year is essentially the same as university.
The Baccalaureate has more subjects a year. But is considered to be similar in difficulty.
The reasons for this include the amount taught, whether subjects are combined or split and so on.

最好的比較可能是英國(guó)A-levels（英國(guó)高中）和國(guó)際文憑。
A-levels每年總共有4門科目，但在最后一年基本上和大學(xué)一樣。
國(guó)際文憑課程每年有更多的科目。但難度上被認(rèn)為相似。
原因包括教授的數(shù)量，科目是合并還是分開(kāi)等等。

Just a Random Person
I’ve spent most of my life in public schools. I have just recently switched to homeschooling and duel enrollment for various reasons that I’m afraid I can’t get into.

我在公立學(xué)校度過(guò)了人生的大部分時(shí)光。由于一些我不便細(xì)說(shuō)的原因，我最近轉(zhuǎn)而接受家庭教育并同時(shí)注冊(cè)了雙重學(xué)籍。

my grades are certainly worse than in public school, but not because it’s bad. Quite the contrary. My home and private school classes are teaching me much more effectively and teaching actually useful things. I have a lot more work to do, but now I don’t spend all my time all day doing it. Why? Because when I do that work is entirely my choice. I go to classes on tuesdays and the rest of the week is devoted to completing the work I’ve been given. My schedule is extremely flexible and I’ve been able to work it into something that leaves me with time for my own life. I also get to choose my best style of learning. There is no schoolwork for my homeschool classes, because the curriculum teaches through reading. I have a set of books I read through every day. It’s a much more engaging style of learning because I get to learn history and hard topics through stories. My work is challenging and I enjoy it because I actually feel productive.

我在家庭學(xué)校的成績(jī)當(dāng)然比公立學(xué)校差，但不是因?yàn)榧彝W(xué)校不好。相反，我的家庭和私立學(xué)校的課程教學(xué)效果更好，教的也是真正有用的東西。我有更多的工作要做，但現(xiàn)在我不會(huì)整天都花在做作業(yè)上。為什么？因?yàn)槲液螘r(shí)做作業(yè)完全由我自己決定。我周二上課，剩下的一周用來(lái)完成給我的任務(wù)。我的時(shí)間表非常靈活，我已經(jīng)能夠?qū)⑵浒才诺米屛矣凶约旱臅r(shí)間。我還可以自己選擇最佳的學(xué)習(xí)方式。我的家庭學(xué)校課程沒(méi)有學(xué)校作業(yè)，因?yàn)檎n程是通過(guò)閱讀來(lái)教授的。我每天閱讀一套書籍。這是一種更具吸引力的學(xué)習(xí)方式，因?yàn)槲铱梢酝ㄟ^(guò)故事來(lái)學(xué)習(xí)歷史和難題。我的學(xué)習(xí)具有挑戰(zhàn)性，我享受它，因?yàn)槲艺娴母械接谐尚А?/b>

but just this past week I’ve had to drop out of my algebra 2 class. I was trying as hard as I could but I could not pass the tests. There was something fundamentally that I simply missed in public school, because I was allowed to get by using simply a calculator. I cannot competently solve equations with fractions and square roots are hard for me to find.

就在上個(gè)星期，我不得不放棄了我的代數(shù)2課程。盡管我盡了最大努力，但還是沒(méi)能通過(guò)考試。在公立學(xué)校，我忽略了一些基礎(chǔ)概念，因?yàn)槟抢镂抑恍枰糜?jì)算器就能混過(guò)去。我現(xiàn)在無(wú)法熟練地解包含分?jǐn)?shù)的方程，而且對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)，找出平方根也變得困難。

i initially was embarrassed and angry with myself, but I’ve come to understand that this wasn’t my fault, but the fault of those responsible for teaching me these things in the past, because they never did. And it’s an ongoing theme I’ve seen in other students who went to public school.

起初，我感到尷尬和憤怒，但我已經(jīng)明白這不是我的錯(cuò)，而是過(guò)去負(fù)責(zé)教我這些東西的人的錯(cuò)，因?yàn)樗麄儚奈唇踢^(guò)我。這是我在其他上公立學(xué)校的學(xué)生中也觀察到的一個(gè)持續(xù)存在的問(wèn)題。

public schools trap you in essentially a prison for 7–8 hours a day. You have no escape from your peers. If your lucky you get a 15 minute break at lunch and then it’s right back to work. Our schedules are decided for us and so we have to give up outside activities to accommodate. I do horseback riding and in public school I could rarely ever ride because school expected me to give it 100% of my attention. The schools are miserable and severely damaging. And the 7–8 hours? What are we even doing in that time? Because I’ve been able to learn more in 3 hours of homeschooling then a full day of public school. It’s no wonder we all hate schools when they put us in these conditions.

公立學(xué)?；旧厦刻彀涯汴P(guān)押在一個(gè)地方長(zhǎng)達(dá)7到8小時(shí)，就像監(jiān)獄一樣。你無(wú)法擺脫同伴的包圍。如果幸運(yùn)的話，你或許能在午餐時(shí)間獲得15分鐘的休息，然后就必須立即回到學(xué)習(xí)中。我們的時(shí)間表是別人為我們安排好的，因此我們必須放棄其他的活動(dòng)來(lái)適應(yīng)這個(gè)時(shí)間表。我愛(ài)好騎馬，在公立學(xué)校我?guī)缀鯖](méi)有機(jī)會(huì)去騎馬，因?yàn)閷W(xué)校期望我將全部注意力都放在學(xué)習(xí)上。這些學(xué)校令人感到痛苦，并且造成了嚴(yán)重的傷害。那么在這7到8個(gè)小時(shí)里，我們究竟在做什么？因?yàn)槲野l(fā)現(xiàn)在家庭學(xué)校的3個(gè)小時(shí)里學(xué)到的東西比在公立學(xué)校一整天還要多。難怪在這種環(huán)境下，我們都會(huì)討厭學(xué)校。

you can argue about if masks are damaging or not, but for me personally masks were very much unhealthy. I was stuck with a perpetual headache and extreme nausea that I just got used to. I believe this was due to wearing a mask all day every day because I haven’t felt that way since dropping out. They also closed off the water fountains because of covid, so if you didn’t bring a bottle? Tough luck, no water for the entire day. I had depression from being forced to sit and listen to a teacher drone on for the whole day rather than exploring my passions and focusing on things I’ll actually use in the future.

你可以討論口罩是否有害，但就我個(gè)人而言，戴口罩確實(shí)對(duì)我的健康不利。我經(jīng)常感到持續(xù)的頭痛和極度的惡心，以至于我都開(kāi)始習(xí)慣了這種狀態(tài)。我認(rèn)為這是因?yàn)槲颐刻於急仨毚骺谡?，因?yàn)槲易詮牟辉倥宕骱缶蜎](méi)有再出現(xiàn)過(guò)這些癥狀。由于新冠疫情，他們還關(guān)閉了飲水機(jī)，所以如果你沒(méi)有帶水？那就倒霉了，一整天都沒(méi)有水喝。我因?yàn)楸黄茸?tīng)老師嘮叨一整天而感到沮喪，而不是去探索我的激情，專注于我將來(lái)會(huì)用到的東西。
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the schools are more focused on test scores then students health, because it makes them money. Free time is being cut out more at younger and younger ages and it’s frightening to think the effect it will have. I’m simply glad I was able to escape.
the kids are not lazy. We are suffering

學(xué)校更注重考試成績(jī)而非學(xué)生健康，因?yàn)檫@樣可以為他們帶來(lái)利益。孩子們的自由時(shí)間越來(lái)越早地被剝奪，想想這會(huì)造成的影響就讓人感到恐懼。我只是慶幸自己能夠擺脫這種狀況。孩子們并不懶惰，我們其實(shí)都在遭受煎熬。

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是美國(guó)的教育體系太難了，還是孩子們太懶了？