韓國(guó)人怎么看朝鮮人？
What do South Koreans think about North Koreans?
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網(wǎng)友：盡管朝鮮半島文化較為同質(zhì)，但韓國(guó)人對(duì)北朝鮮的看法并不是千篇一律的。這種看法受到多種因素的影響，包括你居住的地方、你的年齡和背景。比如，住在非軍事區(qū)（DMZ）附近的老奶奶可能比住在韓國(guó)最南端濟(jì)州島的15歲少年對(duì)沖突有更深的感受……
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What do South Koreans think about North Koreans?
韓國(guó)人怎么看朝鮮人？
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Although Korea has a relatively homogeneous culture, there isn't a cookie cutter answer to how South Koreans feel about North Korea.
There are multiple layers of emotions and feelings and they range on where you live, your age and your background. A grandma living along the DMZ is probably going to feel more strongly about the conflict than a 15 year old living on Jeju island (southern most area of Korea).
盡管朝鮮半島文化較為同質(zhì)，但韓國(guó)人對(duì)北朝鮮的看法并不是千篇一律的。
這種看法受到多種因素的影響，包括你居住的地方、你的年齡和背景。比如，住在非軍事區(qū)（DMZ）附近的老奶奶可能比住在韓國(guó)最南端濟(jì)州島的15歲少年對(duì)沖突有更深的感受。
老一輩人經(jīng)歷了戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，目睹了國(guó)家的分裂，然后又見證了韓國(guó)在不到50年的時(shí)間里成為世界上最富有的國(guó)家之一。而年輕一代則看到了他們現(xiàn)在生活的便利，并知道這是朝鮮戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)后經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展的結(jié)果。因此，如果你問(wèn)韓國(guó)人是否希望統(tǒng)一，他們通常會(huì)說(shuō)“希望，但不是現(xiàn)在”，因?yàn)樗麄冎澜蛹{朝鮮將導(dǎo)致大量難民涌入，這將使國(guó)家經(jīng)濟(jì)急劇下滑，因?yàn)閲?guó)家需要重建自己（類似于東西德的統(tǒng)一）。
我必須說(shuō)，年輕人似乎對(duì)朝鮮人也是人類這一事實(shí)更加不敏感——可能是因?yàn)樗麄円簧荚诔r時(shí)不時(shí)發(fā)出導(dǎo)彈威脅要摧毀韓國(guó)的背景下成長(zhǎng)。我曾去過(guò)一次共同警備區(qū)（JSA，位于非軍事區(qū)內(nèi)），看到一個(gè)朝鮮士兵后，一位年輕的韓國(guó)伙伴激動(dòng)得不停地說(shuō)他渾身起了雞皮疙瘩，并且迫不及待地打電話給他所有的朋友分享這一經(jīng)歷。
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另一方面，老一輩人是在統(tǒng)一的朝鮮半島長(zhǎng)大的，他們親眼看到自己的國(guó)家被南韓政府撕裂。戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)結(jié)束后，他們又見證了南韓出現(xiàn)了與北朝相似甚至更糟糕的威權(quán)政權(quán)，所以我想說(shuō)，與年輕人相比，對(duì)朝鮮人的妖魔化并沒有對(duì)他們產(chǎn)生強(qiáng)烈的影響。
我可以肯定地說(shuō)，韓國(guó)人并不認(rèn)為北朝是一個(gè)威脅。因?yàn)槲以谶@里居住期間已經(jīng)經(jīng)歷了兩次導(dǎo)彈威脅，但我所交談的韓國(guó)人都沒有表現(xiàn)出擔(dān)憂，大家的生活依舊如常進(jìn)行。
Great answer, thank you. I was stationed in the ROK for one year in 1977 and I’ve had an interest in the peninsula ever since.
非常好的回答，謝謝。我在1977年曾在韓國(guó)服役一年，自那以后我就對(duì)朝鮮半島一直很感興趣。
Thank you also, your answer gives great insight into the sentiments of both nations.
謝謝你，你的回答讓我對(duì)兩國(guó)人民的情感有了深刻的理解。
Good point. The separation was/is a foreign decision. It is possible that the North Koreans are brainwashed to think badly of South Korea, but deep down they must know that we are family.
很有道理，分裂是外國(guó)勢(shì)力造成的。北朝鮮人可能被洗腦，對(duì)南韓持有負(fù)面看法，但在內(nèi)心深處，他們一定知道我們是一家人。
Most of South Koreans I know through Internet chatting will always remember North Korea and North Koreans as their respective brothers, cousins and sisters.
They have together been in the history of them. Of course, they understand, how painful the past is.
Same in Vietnam, Korea was divided. By Vietnam was later, gone to commies. Korea remains divided, and this hurt every Koreans.
我通過(guò)網(wǎng)絡(luò)聊天認(rèn)識(shí)的大多數(shù)韓國(guó)人都一直把北朝鮮和北朝鮮人民視作自己的同胞，視作兄弟、表親和姐妹。
他們有共同的歷史，當(dāng)然，他們深知過(guò)去的痛苦。
就像越南一樣，朝鮮半島分裂了。但越南后來(lái)實(shí)現(xiàn)了統(tǒng)一，而朝鮮半島依然處于分裂狀態(tài)，這給所有朝鮮族人帶來(lái)了傷害。
朝鮮族人對(duì)越南抱有一定的羨慕之情，他們甚至希望效仿德國(guó)的統(tǒng)一模式。實(shí)際上，作為一名越南人，我個(gè)人認(rèn)為越南的統(tǒng)一走向了錯(cuò)誤的方向。所以現(xiàn)在當(dāng)我看向韓國(guó)時(shí)，我會(huì)想，如果越南像德國(guó)那樣在共和政府的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)下實(shí)現(xiàn)統(tǒng)一，可能會(huì)比韓國(guó)更加發(fā)達(dá)。但我們沒有這樣的機(jī)遇。
我期待他們能夠再次統(tǒng)一，但希望他們不要重蹈越南的覆轍。越南的道路帶來(lái)了太多錯(cuò)誤，使我們現(xiàn)在只是一個(gè)第三世界國(guó)家，與韓國(guó)相比缺乏顯著的影響力。甚至在GCZY統(tǒng)一之后，大多數(shù)海外越南人仍然受到越共政權(quán)的歧視，這種情況一直持續(xù)到1986年的改革之后。這種狀況一直在削弱越南的國(guó)家實(shí)力。因?yàn)槲覀兪峭ㄟ^(guò)武力而非因?yàn)槟媳痹侥先嗣駜?nèi)心的真正統(tǒng)一被迫走到一起的。
我希望韓國(guó)和朝鮮能夠統(tǒng)一，形成一個(gè)繁榮的國(guó)家，由南方的共和國(guó)領(lǐng)導(dǎo)，首爾作為首都；就像德國(guó)統(tǒng)一時(shí)那樣。只有這樣，越南才可能最終擺脫GCZY的束縛，與德國(guó)和韓國(guó)一起，成為統(tǒng)一進(jìn)程中的成功典范。
Koreans does not look at Vietnam with envy.
朝鮮族人并不羨慕越南。
I agree with you on Korea, but I think you're way too critical of Vietnam. Vietnam was forced to turn to Com...ism because no one wanted to help them win independence except the USSR. Ho Chi Minh asked for US aid but they were supporting France.
And Vietnam is changing, there are bright times ahead hopefully. South Korea was also once poorer than Africa, but look at them now. With honesty, patriotism and hard work Vietnam can become like them too.
There are no miracles, but a concentracted effort of the nation's best and brightest will undoubtedly make a difference in both Vietnam and Korea.
我同意你對(duì)朝鮮半島的看法，但我認(rèn)為你對(duì)越南的評(píng)價(jià)過(guò)于苛刻。越南之所以轉(zhuǎn)向GCZY，是因?yàn)槌颂K聯(lián)之外，沒有其他國(guó)家愿意幫助他們贏得獨(dú)立。胡志明曾向美國(guó)求援，但美國(guó)卻支持法國(guó)。越南正在發(fā)生變化，希望未來(lái)會(huì)有光明的前景。韓國(guó)曾經(jīng)也比非洲還要貧窮，但現(xiàn)在看看他們。只要越南人誠(chéng)實(shí)、愛國(guó)并且勤奮工作，越南也能像韓國(guó)一樣成功。
不存在奇跡，但是一個(gè)國(guó)家中最杰出和最聰明的人才共同努力的話，無(wú)疑將給越南和韓國(guó)帶來(lái)改變。
Vietnam turned to Com...ism because it was the com...sts who had won the Vietnam War.
越南轉(zhuǎn)向GCZY是因?yàn)镚CZY者贏得了越南戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。
That’s essentially what he said. And if the West, particularly the US, had “done the right thing”, the outcome could have been very different. It was interesting that the US was so insistent that the UK should relinquish its empire, but they seem never to have applied the same pressure to France.
他基本上就是這么說(shuō)的。如果西方，尤其是美國(guó)，當(dāng)時(shí)做出了正確的選擇，結(jié)果可能會(huì)大不相同。有意思的是，美國(guó)曾強(qiáng)烈要求英國(guó)放棄其殖民帝國(guó)，但似乎從未對(duì)法國(guó)施加過(guò)同樣的壓力。
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I found Harry Truman really weird. So the man, tried to stop the spread of Com...ism, but he did not support the KMT during the Chinese Civil War or help Vietnam to gain independence.
我發(fā)現(xiàn)哈里·杜魯門的行為真的很奇怪。他試圖遏制GCZY的擴(kuò)張，但在中國(guó)內(nèi)戰(zhàn)中卻沒有支持國(guó)民黨，也沒有協(xié)助越南爭(zhēng)取獨(dú)立。
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His main focus is in Europe
他的主要關(guān)注點(diǎn)在歐洲。
Do you currently live in Vietnam?
你現(xiàn)在住在越南嗎？
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Like many answers above, many South Koreans do pity the ordinary North Koreans and hate, HATE Kim - there are many unpleasant comments on Kim Jong-un (ranging from criticizing his obesity to his regime) on NAVER, Korean equivalent for Google. Sometimes this happens to an extent where under a totally unrelated article, Kim is mentioned in one of the comments and becomes the most popular comment even.
和許多前述回答一樣，許多韓國(guó)人對(duì)普通的北朝民眾感到同情，但對(duì)金正恩及其政權(quán)則深惡痛絕——在韓國(guó)的NAVER（相當(dāng)于谷歌）上，從批評(píng)他的體型到抨擊他的政權(quán)，對(duì)金正恩的負(fù)面評(píng)論層出不窮。有時(shí)，即使在與金正恩完全無(wú)關(guān)的文章下，只要有人在評(píng)論中提及他，那條評(píng)論也能成為最受歡迎的評(píng)論。
Recently, a poll in Korea indicated that over 60% of middle & high school students in Korea supported unification of SK and NK. But this is something to discuss at another time.
但同時(shí)，我想指出，有一種觀點(diǎn)認(rèn)為，媒體所塑造的北朝人民貧困的形象——無(wú)論是在報(bào)紙、電視節(jié)目還是演講中——可能并不完全準(zhǔn)確地反映了北朝人民的真實(shí)生活狀況，他們的生活可能并不像外界想象的那么糟糕。
最近，韓國(guó)的一項(xiàng)民調(diào)顯示，超過(guò)60%的中學(xué)生支持韓國(guó)和北朝的統(tǒng)一。但這個(gè)話題我們可以另找時(shí)間深入討論。
My South Korean girlfriend freaked out when she found out how interested I was in North Korea. South Koreans are taught that North Koreans are dangerous and will kidnap them and force them to the North. After a while I persuaded her to accompany me to the DPRK embassy in Jakarta and she was extremely well received. Some staff had tears in their eyes when they talked to her.
我的韓國(guó)女友發(fā)現(xiàn)我對(duì)北朝如此感興趣時(shí)，非常震驚。在韓國(guó)，人們被告知北朝人很危險(xiǎn)，可能會(huì)綁架他們并強(qiáng)迫他們?nèi)ケ背５^(guò)了一段時(shí)間后，我說(shuō)服她陪我去了位于雅加達(dá)的朝鮮大使館，她受到了非常熱情的接待。一些工作人員在與她交談時(shí)，眼中甚至含著淚水。
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Generally speaking, we obvisouly hate the regime but feel sorry for the people who are suffering like no other. Others? Probably indifferent since we have been separated for too long.
總體而言，我們明顯厭惡那個(gè)政權(quán)，但對(duì)于那里遭受苦難的人民，我們深感同情。其他人呢？可能由于長(zhǎng)時(shí)間的分離，我們對(duì)他們已經(jīng)比較漠然了。
I am guessing (since I have not met one myself) that North Koreans outside their country are taught to keep low profile.
我猜測(cè)（因?yàn)槲覜]有親自接觸過(guò)）那些在國(guó)外的北朝人被教導(dǎo)要保持低調(diào)。
It doesn't help that official North Korean propaganda says that theirs is the only legitimate government for the whole Korean peninsula. Basically, in North Korea, it's not called "North Korea", it's just "Korea". To say otherwise would be considered treasonous. So, loyal North Koreans would simply call themselves "Korean".
北朝官方宣傳稱他們是國(guó)家唯一的合法政府，這并沒有幫助。在北朝，他們不稱自己為“北朝”，而是直接稱為“朝鮮”。如果有人持不同看法，那將被視為叛國(guó)。因此，忠誠(chéng)的北朝人會(huì)自稱為“朝鮮人”。
One thing I disagree is that many of South Koreans think North Korea as a threat, especially those who experienced the war or military training. It's pretty unknown that there are military conflicts that happen quite often between two countries.
When there is news says North Korea threaten South, people in the society usually think it's another repeated boring headline, while millions of young soldiers are preparing for emergencies under the ground.
我不同意的一點(diǎn)是，許多韓國(guó)人（尤其是那些經(jīng)歷過(guò)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)或軍事訓(xùn)練的人）視北朝為威脅。兩國(guó)之間經(jīng)常發(fā)生軍事沖突，這一點(diǎn)很不為人所知。
當(dāng)新聞報(bào)道北朝威脅韓國(guó)時(shí)，社會(huì)上的人們通常認(rèn)為這又是一次無(wú)聊的頭條，而實(shí)際上，無(wú)數(shù)年輕士兵正在地下準(zhǔn)備應(yīng)對(duì)緊急情況。
I have served two tours in the USAF in South Korea. The last one I spend one year at the Monterey CA Defense Language School and I learn Korean so I could adequately understand and read. I served one year as a joint staff officer serving both commanders (UN and South Korean). My impression of the ROK military is that they chomp at the bit to get at the North Koreans. They are stronger, more motivated, and more intelligent now then ever before. They make their own M1 tank called the K1. The ROKAF maintains a mix of F16 and F15 aircraft far superior to anything the Hermit kingdom has. They don't need the UN or US to help them anymore. Release them and they will reunify the peninsula themselves in two weeks.
我在韓國(guó)的美國(guó)空軍服役過(guò)兩次。最近一次，我在加州蒙特雷的國(guó)防語(yǔ)言學(xué)校待了一年學(xué)習(xí)韓語(yǔ)，以便我能夠充分地理解和閱讀。我曾作為聯(lián)合參謀軍官服務(wù)了一年，服務(wù)于聯(lián)合國(guó)和韓國(guó)的指揮官們。我對(duì)大韓民國(guó)軍隊(duì)的印象是，他們迫不及待地想要與北朝鮮對(duì)抗。他們現(xiàn)在比以往任何時(shí)候都要更強(qiáng)、更有斗志、更精明。他們自己制造了名為K1的坦克。韓國(guó)空軍維護(hù)著F16和F15飛機(jī)的混合編隊(duì)，遠(yuǎn)勝于北朝所擁有的任何裝備。他們不再需要聯(lián)合國(guó)或美國(guó)的幫助。如果放開束縛，他們完全可以在兩周內(nèi)自行完成半島的統(tǒng)一。
thank you for your service
感謝你的服役。
Release them and Seoul doesn’t exist anymore thanks to artillery on the DMZ, plus a few nukes on a few other parts of the South should ensure mutual destruction.
如果放開束縛，由于非軍事區(qū)的火炮，首爾已經(jīng)不存在了，再加上在南韓其他地區(qū)投放幾顆核彈，應(yīng)該足以確保雙方同歸于盡。
North Korea’s nukes are a joke, if they even get off the ground, South Korean’s missile defense system can shoot them down because they are very slow. Meanwhile, South Korea has twice the population of North Korea, an economy 50 times bigger, and more advanced tech. In a conventional war, North Korea will be outnumbered, out gunned, out technologied, and out spent.
北朝的核武器不過(guò)是笑柄，即使它們能成功發(fā)射，韓國(guó)的導(dǎo)彈防御系統(tǒng)也能輕易擊落它們，因?yàn)樗鼈兯俣群苈Ｅc此同時(shí)，韓國(guó)的人口是北朝的兩倍，經(jīng)濟(jì)規(guī)模是北朝的50倍，技術(shù)也更先進(jìn)。在一場(chǎng)常規(guī)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中，北朝在人數(shù)、火力、技術(shù)和資金上都將處于劣勢(shì)。
Yes the US has trained them well, as they did between 1945 and 1950. The people in the South were terrified of them. Yet they turned tail and ran when they saw the North Koreans in 1950, leaving all the new tanks, equipment and supplies they had on the border ready for their invasion of the North. The KPA though all their Christmases had come at once.
確實(shí)，美國(guó)曾經(jīng)訓(xùn)練過(guò)他們，就像1945年到1950年間那樣。南方的人民當(dāng)時(shí)非常害怕他們。然而，1950年當(dāng)他們面對(duì)北朝軍隊(duì)時(shí)卻倉(cāng)皇逃跑，留下了所有準(zhǔn)備入侵北方的新坦克、裝備和補(bǔ)給。朝鮮人民軍仿佛一下子得到了所有的圣誕禮物。
South Korea did not have any tanks in 1950
1950年，南韓并沒有坦克。
They retreated so fast that they overtook the Americans heading south too.
他們撤退的速度非?？?，以至于超過(guò)了南下的美國(guó)人。
Generally speaking, they would rather choose to avoid discussion of it.
First of all, in their eyes, North Korea is a unreasonable place. No one can go there and no one can come out. Many disputes are almost provoked by them.
And their unreason more embody in national absolute feverish, unidentify truth, and the mass is blinded by leaders.
通常來(lái)說(shuō)，他們更傾向于避開有關(guān)這個(gè)話題的討論。
首先，在他們眼中，北朝是一個(gè)不講理的國(guó)家，無(wú)人能夠進(jìn)入，也無(wú)人能夠離開。許多爭(zhēng)端幾乎都是由北朝挑起的。
北朝的非理性還體現(xiàn)在對(duì)國(guó)家的極端狂熱、無(wú)法辨識(shí)真相，以及民眾被領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人蒙蔽。
their attitude makes me feel exactly it's really two countries.
對(duì)于韓國(guó)人來(lái)說(shuō)，他們確實(shí)有同胞之情，但這種同情被兩國(guó)之間越來(lái)越大的文化差距和價(jià)值觀逐漸淡化。
他們的態(tài)度讓我真切地感覺到，這真的就像是兩個(gè)完全不同的國(guó)家。
Best summary may be indifference rather than detesting.
沒有太多的同情，更多的是迷茫和疏遠(yuǎn)。當(dāng)存在巨大的實(shí)力差距和價(jià)值觀差異時(shí)，和平統(tǒng)一這兩個(gè)國(guó)家是非常困難的，這一點(diǎn)不難理解。一個(gè)更明顯的例子是，韓國(guó)社會(huì)對(duì)來(lái)自北朝的脫北者并不友好，他們往往只能處于社會(huì)最底層。
最好的總結(jié)可能是冷漠而非憎恨。
I'm not Korean but my colleagues who are from there feel sorry for the people of North Korea because they were unfortunate enough to be born in such a repressive regime. They hate the government, not the people. North Koreans, to most South Koreans, are still Koreans and, therefore, are still their brothers and sisters.
我不是朝鮮族人，但我那些來(lái)自韓國(guó)的同事對(duì)北朝人民感到同情，因?yàn)樗麄儾恍页錾谶@樣一個(gè)專制政權(quán)之下。他們?cè)骱薜氖浅r政府，而不是痛恨那里的人民。在韓國(guó)人眼中，北朝人同樣是朝鮮族人，因此也是他們的兄弟姐妹。